tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4069744000849776605.post5903987566744411744..comments2023-03-26T03:47:29.469-04:00Comments on Peter St. Onge: Civil discourse can still take a stand on bigotryUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger66125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4069744000849776605.post-40794658717885004102011-01-22T13:19:45.021-05:002011-01-22T13:19:45.021-05:00Perhaps it's time for you and Mr. Batten to st...Perhaps it's time for you and Mr. Batten to stop taking your homosexuality so seriously. It wastes a lot od editotial spaceAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4069744000849776605.post-2602012101669976182011-01-21T10:09:18.904-05:002011-01-21T10:09:18.904-05:00When people are rude, nasty or make unfounded accu...When people are rude, nasty or make unfounded accusations, whether against an individual or a group (or when they laud other people who make such statements):<br /><br />a) they have a right to voice their opinions (although they can run into slander laws if they get specific enough); <br /><br />b) people should not hesitate to confront them, and to call BS what it is;<br /><br />c) people should shun them, and treat them as not fit for civil discourse until they change their approach. Have only formal communication and otherwise treat them like someone you want nothing to do with. <br /><br />That's what I do with co-workers and acquaintances who say the sort of things as Bill James or proclaim support for him.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4069744000849776605.post-68349357922710026152011-01-10T05:07:33.693-05:002011-01-10T05:07:33.693-05:00So based on your comments, should I dare say your ...So based on your comments, should I dare say your coming out of the closet Peter?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4069744000849776605.post-5695166942849069272011-01-10T05:05:32.416-05:002011-01-10T05:05:32.416-05:00Mr. James would you please pacify these cry babies...Mr. James would you please pacify these cry babies, and wash your mouth out with soap. Don't you understand they have absolute knowledge, everyone in the world agrees with them, except you and God.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4069744000849776605.post-76417902161530558072011-01-09T23:09:08.488-05:002011-01-09T23:09:08.488-05:00All of this begs the question of why Roberts thoug...All of this begs the question of why Roberts thought the Don't Ask Don't tell policy was part of the portfolio of the County Commission.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4069744000849776605.post-73941668345518591892011-01-09T22:25:29.305-05:002011-01-09T22:25:29.305-05:00I am glad getting civil and kind to each other is ...I am glad getting civil and kind to each other is finally getting in favor now from the liberal crowd.<br /><br />Discourse seemed to have been ushered in with that hanging chad thing and suddenly it seems this year people want that civility thing again, I wonder why?Larryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07977808657926308272noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4069744000849776605.post-30016932201899394882011-01-09T17:16:25.736-05:002011-01-09T17:16:25.736-05:00Pete,
Boy you kicked-up a big one.
I guess you get...Pete,<br />Boy you kicked-up a big one.<br />I guess you get your "writers bonus" for the week?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4069744000849776605.post-62300816073602023792011-01-09T17:11:33.660-05:002011-01-09T17:11:33.660-05:00"Civil discourse"?
Pete, have you seen ..."Civil discourse"?<br /><br />Pete, have you seen one tenth of what your fellow leftists are posting about the Arizona shooting?<br /><br />Civil discourse takes two parties. I see no evidence of a desire for civility from most any leftist. Maybe Howie Kurtz, but that's about it.<br /><br />On the right, James is the exception. On the left, he's the rule.Dr. Horriblenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4069744000849776605.post-64500937976776226512011-01-09T16:32:59.321-05:002011-01-09T16:32:59.321-05:00"I think you are arguing selective facts whic..."I think you are arguing selective facts which is quite disingenuous of you.<br /><br />January 9, 2011 10:49 AM"<br /><br />"Woe be to those who call evil as good and good as evil ..."<br /><br />The gist of the entire argument centers around homosexuality and how liberal bigots try to turn G-ods word upside down bastardizing morality and what the OT commands in Levi. <br />Having a clean face or unshaven beard will not send your soul to hell but was for ancient religious conformity in society. <br />Immorality issues such as homosexuality however will send your soul to hell eternity. Big difference.<br />G-d gave man a brain to comprehend his meanings and frivilous challenges are insignificant.<br /><br />There are the 10 commandments and 7 deadly sins. Read up. Ignorance is no excuse. Intelligent humans understand what they read or are taught. <br />Follow his rules and commands and you can never go wrong. <br /><br />Lets commend Roman emperor Constantine in 321 AD who converted the entire Roman empire to a universal one and thus sealed the only true divine truth eternally. Constantine was forever rewarded for his divine actions and so can all mankind who obeys the omnipotent omniscient ones requirements.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4069744000849776605.post-64999394795272836952011-01-09T15:13:52.582-05:002011-01-09T15:13:52.582-05:00Bill James can keep ranting all hew wants and stil...Bill James can keep ranting all hew wants and still think we can round up homosexuals for being what they are. Luckily, Charlotte, Mecklenburg County and North Carolina have taken great strides in departing from the persona of the b ackwoods Bible belt and are assimilating with the rest of the free thinking parts of the country such as the Northeast and West Coast. It only takes one moderate republican in the southside to stand up and run in a primary against James. I know there are many more sansible republicans, and conservatives, in that district that could knock him off the pedistal. What are they waiting for? Charlotes is not a hick town anymore. Why do we continue to allow such folks to be in such leadership positions? May the blue county get bluer and shed the backwood vermin making us all look bad.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4069744000849776605.post-28819287558123193982011-01-09T14:26:33.513-05:002011-01-09T14:26:33.513-05:00Peter, This is a big overreaction by some gays, so...Peter, This is a big overreaction by some gays, some supporters of gays, the County Board, and the Observer. Bill James is not swaying any minds with his ignorant remarks. IMO he loves the attention. Just let it pass. But then that would be hard to do because some of those crying out against James also love attention. - B.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4069744000849776605.post-79091264986480172022011-01-09T14:22:05.369-05:002011-01-09T14:22:05.369-05:00"
It's called freedom of speech and the r..."<br />It's called freedom of speech and the right to have an opinion... whether you like what that person has to say or not. It's a double-edged sword at times, but that's one of the good things that makes America work. Just because you don't like the message doesn't mean any one of us should resort to being less civil towards that individual."<br /><br />Right, and the more civilized of us have the same free speech right to point out his bigotry.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4069744000849776605.post-62239036599386440612011-01-09T13:55:05.876-05:002011-01-09T13:55:05.876-05:00You're right, Bill. That's where we disagr...You're right, Bill. That's where we disagree. The result of Lawrence isn't that illegal acts can't be prosecuted in N.C. if they're done in private. There are plenty of legal acts that still can and are prosecuted, public or private. The result of Lawrence is that these specific private acts are not illegal. <br /><br />But we do agree on several things. I also think the BOCC has larger fish to fry - and that Jennifer Roberts made a mistake in making her feelings on DADT an issue for the board. <br /><br />And yes, I also have my eye on the reval/tax issue. <br /><br />Thanks,<br /><br />Peterpstongehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17339785715553747223noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4069744000849776605.post-66698920829813396522011-01-09T13:33:36.219-05:002011-01-09T13:33:36.219-05:00with the right of free speech comes the responsibi...with the right of free speech comes the responsibility of free speech - that is not to use speech to intimidate, threaten, imply or condone violence or make anyone feel unsafe or threatened.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4069744000849776605.post-62228355167311496732011-01-09T13:31:58.503-05:002011-01-09T13:31:58.503-05:00Peter -
I guess this is our core disagreement:
...Peter - <br /><br />I guess this is our core disagreement:<br /><br />"So the result of Lawrence in N.C. is that homosexuality is not illegal." <br /><br />To me the result of Lawrence in NC is that illegal acts can't be prosecuted if they occur in private.<br /><br />If the acts were 'legal' as you assert - liberals in the Legislature would not be trying to change the law over the last 5 years or so. Why change a law that no longer valid or was over-ruled? <br /><br />You seem to conflate 'not prosecuting certain acts' with the idea that Lawrence make the acts 'legal' (or the law illegal) which is not the case.<br /><br />Still, this is hardly an issue that demands this much attention. Had Jennifer not sent the BOCC a note I would not have felt required to provide my opinion on an issue that has nothing to do with the County.<br /><br />We have bigger issues to fry - not the least of which is that Jennifer wants to do reval and leave the tax rate the same. <br /><br />Doing so will leave most of Mecklenburg County homeowners with a 20% tax hike when the dust settles.<br /><br />Now that is a real crime against fiscal nature and family budgets.<br /><br /><br />Bill James<br />BOCC, RAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4069744000849776605.post-68680938083179845152011-01-09T13:06:10.065-05:002011-01-09T13:06:10.065-05:00Let's try to remember that Bill James is elect...Let's try to remember that Bill James is elected because of his opinions. So, when you disrespect them, you are disrespecting the electorate that votes him into office.<br /><br />Secondly, Jennifer Roberts intentionally provoked this statement from James with her meaningless vote to applaud the repeal of DADT. Don't try to tell me she didn't know what she was doing.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4069744000849776605.post-5323763215982448552011-01-09T12:54:22.587-05:002011-01-09T12:54:22.587-05:00Thanks, Anon 12:31. I'm not saying that Lawren...Thanks, Anon 12:31. I'm not saying that Lawrence overturned NCGS 14-177. It said that states can't prosecute what consenting adults choose to do in private settings. So the result of Lawrence in N.C. is that homosexuality is not illegal. <br /><br />That said, Lawrence does not deal with public acts, which is what the Observer story you cited was about. Public sexual acts, whether homosexual or heterosexual, are prosecutable.<br /><br />Thanks,<br /><br />Peterpstongehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17339785715553747223noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4069744000849776605.post-87082701342275782732011-01-09T12:48:00.844-05:002011-01-09T12:48:00.844-05:00Interesting that we are calling for civility yet C...Interesting that we are calling for civility yet Charlotte is hosting the American Reniassance conference this yearAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4069744000849776605.post-17663641013428969572011-01-09T12:31:26.413-05:002011-01-09T12:31:26.413-05:00Pete-
Here is a link to the arrests in Kilbourne ...Pete-<br /><br />Here is a link to the arrests in Kilbourne Park (Charlotte, NC). You will note that most all (except I think 5) are males arrested for solicitation of a crime against nature of other males. <br /><br />http://billjames.org/ListBuilder/2004/2004-3-23-County%20Parks.htm <br /><br />Point being - the County has had to de-infest our parks and the Police run sting operations to arrest homosexuals who use parks as hook up point.<br /><br />Following that is an article from the Observer from 2004 (an excerpt) outlineing how homosexuals are making County parks unusable (predatory behavior). <br /><br />Today they want to spin the Erickson study to be somehow out of date without actually doing a study of what is going on here in Mecklenburg.<br /><br />Then there are the folks that claim that Lawrence overturned NCGS 14-177 and at the same time introduce legislation to fix that law. Clearly, if it was overturned by Lawrence there would be no need to give it another thought.<br /><br />The stats show that about 250 homosexuals are arrested each year in parks for solicitation of a crime against Nature (or engaging in one). <br /><br />We also passed an ordinance prohibiting those on the sexual predator 'list' from having the right to even enter a park (something the NC Courts have upheld over liberal objections).<br /><br />Bill James<br />BOCC R<br /><br />The Charlotte ObserverPosted on Thu, Mar. 18, 2004<br />Neighbors complain of sex in public park<br /><br /><br />MELISSA MANWARE AND EARNEST WINSTON <br /><br />A day before a citizen committee planned to discuss complaints about men having sex in Kilborne Park, police on Wednesday made two arrests there and said public sex is a problem in several Mecklenburg parks.<br /><br />Police say they've been dealing with public sex in various parks for years, but neighbors and patrons of east Charlotte's Kilborne say they fear their park has become distressingly popular in recent months for men seeking anonymous sex with other men.<br /><br />Mecklenburg commissioners disagree about how to approach the issue, and gay activists warn that county leaders and police should be careful not to label sex in public parks a gay problem. Activists say it involves many men who don't openly live a gay lifestyle.<br /><br />Charlotte-Mecklenburg police say many big cities across the country deal with the same issue. They were not immediately able to say how many people have been charged with sex crimes in Mecklenburg County parks in recent years, but said they are compiling the data, which the Observer requested on Friday.<br /><br />Capt. Tim Jayne said the most complaints come from Kilborne, Reedy Creek, Freedom and Park Road parks, but no park is immune. He said most of the charges are for misdemeanor soliciting crimes against nature, a term used when someone offers or asks for oral or anal sex. Most of those arrested are men.......<br /><br />Truncated because of posting limitAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4069744000849776605.post-70431399991114261222011-01-09T11:56:08.880-05:002011-01-09T11:56:08.880-05:00Bill,
14-177 is being used to make arrests of se...Bill, <br /><br />14-177 is being used to make arrests of sexual acts in public, both heterosexual and homosexual. It's wrong to say it's being used to prosecute homosexuality. <br /><br />Let's also be clear on something: I'm not trying to silence you. In fact, you have a forum right here. I'm pointing out which comments of yours are inaccurate and, I think, harmful in their inaccuracy. <br /><br />As far as Meck County numbers go, I agree with you: I would like to see numbers about predatory crimes against children in Mecklenburg. <br /><br />Thanks,<br /><br />Peterpstongehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17339785715553747223noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4069744000849776605.post-76791849096359112292011-01-09T11:52:26.393-05:002011-01-09T11:52:26.393-05:00Commissioner Bill: I thought you said the law is n...Commissioner Bill: I thought you said the law is not enforceable? What is it 250 arrests each year or unenforceable?<br /><br />James wrote: “Homosexual conduct is illegal in NC (even after Lawrence V Texas). We arrest 250 homosexuals each year in Mecklenburg alone for either a ‘crime against nature’ or ‘solicitation of a crime against nature’. Unlike prostitution (exchanging money), even suggesting homosexual sex is a criminal offense in NC. If we were all that ‘progressive’ would we be arresting 250 homosexuals a year? Setting up sting operations to de-infest areas where they congregate? Point is, if you want to delude yourself that homosexual conduct is ‘ok’ go ahead. The law, the police and the DA however have a different view.”Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4069744000849776605.post-5960260035487905212011-01-09T11:37:13.678-05:002011-01-09T11:37:13.678-05:00Here is the problem Peter - you want to assume tha...Here is the problem Peter - you want to assume that 'Lawrence' overturned the law yet the law is still used by the police to make arrests. <br /><br />You assume that 'Lawrence' overturned the statute but that is not the case. If it were, why are very liberal legislators in Raleigh introducing bills to overturn NCGS 14-177 well after 'Lawrence' was issued?<br /><br />In addition, the solicitation statute for homosexuals includes verbal solitication of an act even without money. While a guy soliticting a girl without money (is legal); a guy soliciting a guy without money is illegal. This is something that homosexual activists have been upset about for some time and have been pusing the D's in Raleigh to change. <br /><br />Yet, even with the D's in control of EVERYTHING until this year - no bills could be passed. <br /><br />It is insulting to readers for you to claim the law isn't in force while homosexuals are in Raleigh trying to get the D's to change the law you claim is dead (and therefore doesn't need changing).<br /><br />If I had 50 PHD's and 1,000 studies the same objections would be raised.<br /><br />This isn't about the study which is perfectly valid. This is about you and others trying to silence me because you don't like what I had to say even though I had proof for my commentary.<br /><br />But hey - take up the challange Peter - let's start gathering the info on who really molests boys in Mecklenburg. The County has (or can get) all the info. Let's start a study and find out if that Erickson study is as 'flawed' as you and others claim. <br /><br />I am game - are you?<br /><br /><br />Bill James<br />BOCC, RAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4069744000849776605.post-37175252017547767472011-01-09T11:27:46.050-05:002011-01-09T11:27:46.050-05:00Dear Annon:
When I sent the e-mail to Jennifer an...Dear Annon:<br /><br />When I sent the e-mail to Jennifer and the other Commissioners I did have 'facts' to back up what I said. <br /><br />In particular a scientific study refered to as 'Erickson' that showed that 26% of the boys (14 and under) were molested by 'men' and of those men molesting boys, 86% were self-described homosexuals. <br /><br />Since studies show that male homosexuals are 2% of the population (2008 election exit polling) but account for about 1/4 of the molestations of boys - this seems like a pretty clear trail of predation (predatory behavior). <br /><br />Basically that means that for every 10 male homosexuals you meet, one is likely to have molested a boy if the scientific study is correct. <br /><br />This predatory factor (to me) means that the repeal of DADT requires that the military brass protect young men and women from predatory behavior in much the same way that Commissioner Pendergraph outlined a predator that went after him when he was drafted years ago at the age of 19 (his company clerk I believe).<br /><br />Of Course, he referred to it as a 'bad scene' so it would be up to him to provide the details of what exactly the clerk did (or tried to do to him and others).<br /><br />Either way - I had the facts to back up what I said to Jennifer in my response.<br /><br />Here is a challange to the D's - CHANGE THE LAW, gather the stats on Mecklenburg molestations of boys and lets see if there is a predatory problem.<br /><br />If 2% do 1/4 of the crime then that group should be closely examined and watched and procedures put into place to protect children. Everyone knows this. <br /><br />The only 'sin' I am guilty of is discussing the matter in the open, angering homosexual activists and liberals in general around the US.<br /><br />That isn't 'bigotry' (a liberals fav word) but the truth. In a PC world, the truth is the most offensive thing a politician can utter.<br /><br />Bill James<br />BOCC RAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4069744000849776605.post-23126400888928277172011-01-09T11:27:11.868-05:002011-01-09T11:27:11.868-05:00James. Throw a few rocks into a pack of dogs and t...James. Throw a few rocks into a pack of dogs and the ones who get hit yip the loudest. <br />roflmyaAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4069744000849776605.post-81394925602435829152011-01-09T11:26:02.129-05:002011-01-09T11:26:02.129-05:00Folks,
Sorry for the delay in moderating comment...Folks, <br /><br />Sorry for the delay in moderating comments. Just got back from church. <br /><br />To Bill: The thrust of your comments, here and in the past month, is that homosexuals are sexual predators and, according to N.C. law, are behaving criminally. If I have that wrong, please tell me.<br /><br />The study you cited regarding predatory behavior has long been declared fundamentally flawed because of sample size and methodology, and as I said in the column, the American Psychological Association concluded after reviewing years of research that heterosexuals are just as likely to be child predators. <br /><br />As far as N.C. law goes - I'm also no lawyer, but people much more knowledgeable in the law than either of us say that homosexuality is not illegal in North Carolina, thanks to the U.S. Supreme Court ruling. Public acts, both homosexual or heterosexual, are against the law. Also, the Crime Against Nature statute you cite does not say anything specifically about homosexuality - in fact, it's vague enough that it's been used in prosecuting heterosexual acts, including solicitation of prostitutes. <br /><br />So, while anyone can disagree - or even struggle with homosexuality - demonizing homosexuals as criminals and predators is not only dangerous, but inaccurate. <br /><br />Peterpstongehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17339785715553747223noreply@blogger.com