tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4069744000849776605.post2273329680345857079..comments2023-03-26T03:47:29.469-04:00Comments on Peter St. Onge: EOGs: Love, hate or all of the aboveUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4069744000849776605.post-65241035661757525702012-07-25T20:05:05.203-04:002012-07-25T20:05:05.203-04:00My son took EOGs for the first time this year. He...My son took EOGs for the first time this year. He scored a surprising 67% in Math. Surprising because he had earned straight As all year long in Math and we had no reason to believe he was struggling. Upon receiving the test results (a print out that gave me very little information) I contacted the school to find out exactly which concepts challenged him (i.e. decimals, fractions, etc.) I was told by his school that the results were mailed promptly to Raleigh and that the school has no information related to my child's specific weaknesses. This response confuses me because 1) wouldn't it benefit the child's teacher in the coming year if they knew where the child struggled and 2) as a parent, I'd be happy to spend time with my child working with him on the concepts that were most challenging - except I have no idea which concepts to revisit with him. It seems unfair to use our children as guinea pigs particularly when the detailed results of the test are not disclosed families or used by teachers to enhance future instruction.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4069744000849776605.post-22537354699323971582012-06-22T12:05:28.451-04:002012-06-22T12:05:28.451-04:00I graduated in 1993. We had no end of grade tests...I graduated in 1993. We had no end of grade tests. These are a bad idea. Tests don't test how much a student knows, they test how wow a student tests. I never test well. I know a lot more than the tests let on. If I went by one test, I'd be a firefighter or medic and I'm disabled! I graduated from college with a BA in Communicatcations with an emphsis in Journalism.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4069744000849776605.post-91665731831234026032012-06-09T12:37:40.054-04:002012-06-09T12:37:40.054-04:00The truth is EOG's/EOC's make students mor...The truth is EOG's/EOC's make students more accountable. Students are more focused throughout the semester when they know they will be tested at the end.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4069744000849776605.post-16130966252411763382012-06-03T17:23:06.311-04:002012-06-03T17:23:06.311-04:00I agree with you and as a highschool teacher, I b...I agree with you and as a highschool teacher, I believe EOC's make students more accountable throughout the semester.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4069744000849776605.post-53233072400912742892012-06-01T14:24:52.211-04:002012-06-01T14:24:52.211-04:00You have got to be kidding? The EOG's are a r...You have got to be kidding? The EOG's are a ridiculous waste of time and a terrible way to measure one's progress throughout the year. The Instructors end up teaching to the test by February, which completely takes away from what they should be doing.<br />Sure, it's great to watch 8 year old kids stress over taking a test, as opposed to placing the decision in the cooperative hands of the parents and the Instructor. I've never been in favor of cumulative tests, either, in that what you covered back in August is rarely reviewed, much less retained. You take tests throughout the school year and this standardize test only affects the worst students, and it really reflects the ineffectiveness of the parents, as well as the Instructor. <br /><br />Get rid of these EOG tests, as I know many parents who go to private schools, just to avoid having to subject their child to such foolishness. It's not structured enough for North Carolina, there's not a uniform study guide to reference, nor computer software application in which to study from. The State does NOT give all the tools necessary to pass this test and it is doing a disservice to the InstructorsYou Dumb Redneckshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07664232560136957777noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4069744000849776605.post-12358189689073642472012-05-31T08:40:44.322-04:002012-05-31T08:40:44.322-04:00The testing problem is that teachers are forced to...The testing problem is that teachers are forced to focus all of their attention to what is on the test, rather than providing a well rounded education for that year. The difference between how Pennsylvania handles their testing and North Carolina is astounding. PA does not place near as much weight on the tests and covers much more material each year. Preparation for testing does not teach kids critical thinking, just test taking strategies. This will prepare them for working for the government, but little else!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4069744000849776605.post-2969879331778941932012-05-22T08:50:40.527-04:002012-05-22T08:50:40.527-04:00I am a retired high school technology teacher. I ...I am a retired high school technology teacher. I just had a tour of my brother in law's very, very high tech saw mill. He is currently awaiting arrival of 2 German 23 year old technicians to instruct his employees in the use and care of a multi million dollar piece of equipment. These young men are the result of Germany's educational system that splits students into groups. College/technology. Why in the world don't we do that? It makes perfect sense to do so, as everyone is not suited to college! It's done all over Europe.Bob Cabanissnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4069744000849776605.post-41880380608369556462012-05-22T00:10:18.354-04:002012-05-22T00:10:18.354-04:00EOG tests are worthless.
Every year since middle ...EOG tests are worthless.<br /><br />Every year since middle school, we would have to go to our son's school the next year and force the school to put him in more advanced classes. He is one of those students who does not test well, yet makes very good grades in his classes.<br /><br />So here's some advice Pete:<br /><br />NEVER, EVER allow status quo educrats, you know, those same ones that have run our failing schools for 40 years, to dictate where your child is placed next year based on some worthless test...Wiley Coyotehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16966764080565903720noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4069744000849776605.post-3408382787514048382012-05-21T17:21:54.295-04:002012-05-21T17:21:54.295-04:00This is a very thoughtful commentary which I am su...This is a very thoughtful commentary which I am surprised I agree with. I proctored for my children's school this past week. I proctored an advanced class of students and I proctored three special needs children. It was fascinating to see the difference in their test taking abilities. But I am glad to say that both groups felt the test was easy which I attribute to our hard working teachers who prepared these children for the test.Bubbychttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16191185932005034074noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4069744000849776605.post-29344391798654144422012-05-21T15:52:32.189-04:002012-05-21T15:52:32.189-04:00As a high school teacher of nearly twenty years, I...As a high school teacher of nearly twenty years, I can assure you that these tests are a complete waste of time and money for our classrooms. Yet, our state is moving towards high stakes testing in EVERY subject. That's right. There will be a test in ALL subjects including chorus, band, art, and PE. Where the money for this is coming from and how these tests will be created and normed is beyond me, but I'm sure Obama's laughably horrible "Race to the Top" funds are at play here. Someone please find me one other nation that tests its children (some as young as 8) so much. Most other nations recognize that the way to improve learning is done through teacher training, parental involvement, and real-world/engaging lessons, not multiple choice tests. The CO should go undercover to discover how much money standardized testing costs. I bet it would be staggering. Money should go into reduction in class sizes, teacher workshops, technology upgrades, and materials.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4069744000849776605.post-72008283961596292462012-05-21T09:14:09.511-04:002012-05-21T09:14:09.511-04:00My kids go to one of the CMS Montessori schools. T...My kids go to one of the CMS Montessori schools. These tests are GRAVY after a year of learning in school. Each year they take them and each year they score in the 99percentile. Only a handful don't do well in the entire school. Extreme diversity in the school. Huge percentage of "free meals" kids. And yet, there are the scores, and there are the kids. All well-mannered, all writing in cursive, all of them in tune with nature (which is part of the curriculum), all of them calm, cool and friendly to others in the school (no bullies...because it isn't tolerated). I could go on and on, just wanted to say that CMS got it right when they allowed Montessori public schools.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com